2-25-2020 Northfield Township Board Town Hall Agenda

This meeting was well covered by MLive Reporter McKenna Ross, MLive Photographer Jenna Kieser, and WHMI Reporter Mike Kruzman.

What I contribute is this:  You can watch the one hour of Iaquinto's "Trial" with our LiveTimeline.   

Trial is in quotes because the Public Hearing was never convened.  So it wasn't a hearing. It was a feces-flingoff staged by an earnest somnambulist who couldn't count to four.

MLive: In tense meeting, township board votes against removing official over conflict of interest in marijuana decisions, by McKenna Ross, 2/26/2020

MLive: 32 photographs by Jenna Kieser, 2/26/2020, Gallery in the Ross report.

WHMI: Effort Fails To Oust Northfield Planning Commissioner, by Mike Kruzman, 2/26/2020

MLive: Northfield Twp. to consider removing official for alleged conflict of interest, McKenna Ross, 2/25/2020

Meeting Docs: 

2/25/2020  700pm Northfield Township Board of Trustees meeting Agenda

2/25/2020  700pm Northfield Township Board of Trustees meeting packet

Here's a portable copy of the Live Timeline 

2/11/2020  Northfield Township Board of Trustees meeting LiveTimeline

And here's the stuck-on-this-webpage version:

Meeting Called to Order

Pledge of Allegiance

Invocation

First Call to the Public

• Dale Brewer's Presentation to Chief Wagner
• Sam Iaquinto
• Anne Hunter
• Jessica Mizzner
• Mike Cicchella
• Dale Brewer
• Burke O'Berry
• Jack Secrist reads a letter from DDA member Jenni Olney. Secrist concurs
• Marissa Prizgint, 32 Shumm Drive
• Brian Trim, 254 Lakeview
• Scott Chisholm, 8006 Lakeshore
• Faith Wheeler
• Tim Offerly, 8105 Lakeshore Rd

Board Member Response

• Beliger
• Dockett
• Otto
• Manley
• Zelenock
• Chick: on Faith Based Due Diligence
• Chick: waves ignored studies and plans
• Chick: waving master plan
• Chick: waving around fistfuls of ignored plans
• Chockley:
• Zelenock: Taxes due February 14th

Chockley: Motion to adopt the consent agenda

• Dockett: asks for an explanation of an accident, a Garbage Truck that slid into a ditch
• Zelenock: question about a sewer hookup, Aynes, Fink, ?
• Chockley: weighs in with personal legal opinion on statutes of limitations
• Dockett: asks about Cable
• WWTP: Willis on new technologies for wastewater treatment
• Otto:
• 1;05;29;09
• Chockley: dismissive of Zelenock's serious questions. Chockley eyerolling.
• Zelenock: asks question of Lippens
• Lippens: answers Zelenock

Chockley: Motion to approve the payment of open bills

• Dockett: Beliger: object to paying SEMCOG Dues, $1,223
• Dockett: Planning and Zoning last month, $20,000
• Beliger: I move to remove SEMCOG, for a total of $1,223, from the open bills
• Dockett: Support
• Roll call vote
• Motion fails, 5-2
• Dockett: The Tetratech bill was $116,634
• 1;10;46;09
• Roll call vote on open bills
• Motion passes, 5:2

Chockley: Motion to adopt the contract with the People's Express

• Beliger: Discussion
• Chockley: squelches Beliger, Calls the vote
• Motion passes 4:2, Dockett & Beliger Voting No, Zelenock abstaining

Chockley: Motion to purchase one full set of jaws of life

• Chockley: calls the voice vote on the jaws of life purchase
• Motion passes 7:0

Chockley: Motion to authorize the Townshop Manager to sign a letter of agreement with Fink

• Otto:
• Otto: explains the Peyton Place Polity and Policy, that the Attorney take direction only from the Board as a whole, a notion thoroughly slapped down and picked apart by Fink during the rest of this meeting
• Chockley: offers Fink the Floor
• 1;28;20;23
• Dockett: I don't think she's clear
• Chockley: again asks Fink to respond. Manager jumps in to respond first
• Fink:
• Fink: there is one thing you said that is a little concerning...
• Otto: That's not how out policy is written, though
• Chockley: haven't seen that policy...
• Chick:
• Beliger:
• Dockett: We know there's gonna be abuse
• Chockley: Zelenock - not even a Miss Zelenock this time
• Zelenock: on statutory duties
• Zelenock: I'd like to see that policy
• Zelenock: Mr Fink, Do you still want to be our lawyer?
• Fink: I think we had this conversation
• Fink: The policy you have described is in my opinion unworkable
• Manley:
• Chick: Peak Chick as Chockley begins - Policy, Policy, Who's Got the Policy?
• Otto: Peak Otto
• Otto: You can ask Jennifer for it.
• Motion passes 4-3, Dockett, Otto, and Chick vote No

Chockley: Now we're at the Storage Tank

• Chockley: I would like to make a motion
• Chockley: Motion ... General Obligation Bonds in the amount of $6.24 Million
• Chockley: General Obligation bonds in the amount of Six million, two hundred forty thousand, two hundred twenty-five dollars
• Chockley: I'm choosing general obligation bonds
• Discussion
• Beliger:
• Manager Aynes:
• Zelenock - It would be nice to have a timeline
• Brian Rubel:
• Dockett: The tank started at 2.8 million. Now it's up to 7 million.
• Dockett: on the approximate rate impact is $25 for every REU... per quarter
• 1;56;43;03
• 1;56;49;14
• Dockett: Why are we spending 7 Million dollars to purify more rainwater?
• 1;58;14;07
• Chockley: There's no stormwater going into there . There's rainwater infiltrating the pipe
• Dockett: Well what do you call rainwater?
• Chockley: But we can't fix that. Why can't we fix that? asks Dockett. Chockley - Millions and millions and millions of dollars.
• Dockett: Well it's gonna cost us millions and millions for this tank
• Rubel shucks. Rubel jives.
• Rubel: We've measured flows in the township a number of times
• Dockett: We've never had another engineer look at it in 65 years
• Beliger: I'm very curious about the upfront bond costs
• Otto: Our Bond Attorney should probably answer that
• Aynes: When we were here last spring...
• Chick: [unknowingly confirms that the infiltration story is bullshit. small leaks can not account for millions of gallons of excess flow]
• Chick: reading from report: Many of the system lines were photographed and no major issues were found.
• Chick: reading report: it was deemed that there is no significant benefit to repairing small leaks that have been found
• 2;02;12;00
• Chockley: I guess Mr. Willis was just gonna attach something...
• Willis:
• Dockett: Is this a new house? Willis: Yes Dockett: That's why it was never used.
• Chick: The township is only responsible for their lines
• Chick: where the problems are coming from, inappropriate or illegal sump pump setups
• Willis: on pipe inspections, paying for pipe inspections, repairing pipes
• Chick: average cost of repairing house drains is $150/foot
• Zelenock: I've many questions. So, when you say 25%,
• Zelenock: and you give us legal fees, engineering fees, financial fees, I want the breakdown
• Rubel:
• Zelenock: We have a 25% multiplier to ensure coverage of legal fees, engineering fees, and financial fees
• Zelenock: I would like to know what percentage goes to each of those categories?
• Zelenock: Is it just 25% We have no idea?
• Chockley: How about we break it out for the February 25th meeting, when we're actually going to deal with the resolution.
• Zelenock: but again
• Zelenock: Madame Chair, you had said, why does it take so long to get things done here? We're talking significant money and we don't have detail.
• Zelenock: So I'm not sure why it's here without the detail.
• Aynes: If I could address that...
• Zelenock: So if we go between the revenue bonds vs the general obligation bonds, what's the difference to charge to our customers?
• - crickets -
• Chockley: guesses, tentatively: It would be on the higher end of the $20-$25, (bucks), right?
• Zelenock: Again, I don't like to guess.
• Zelenock: We're talking a lot of money. This is detail that I would request.
• Zelenock: You've given me two options. You say Twenty to Twenty-five dollars, but you don't tell me what it is about
• Zelenock: And I think that's important
• Zelenock: So you're not really giving me two options; you're giving me one option.
• Zelenock: It's general bonds. It's gonna be around twenty-five dollars.
• Zelenock: I'm asking for the consumer. What is going to be?
• Zelenock: What is going to be their sewer rates if we go with the Revenue Bond vs if we go with the General Bond.
• Dockett: It's based on a three year old study
• Chockley: [attempting to bully Zelenock:] Ok, I think it's time to vote on this
• Zelenock: Madame Chair, I have the Floor, and
• Zelenock: until I release the Floor, you can't call the question
• Chockley: You're right
• Zelenock:
• 2;09;45;10
• Zelenock: I would like to let people know I called EGLE today
• Willis: chimes in about the new EGLE - the new name for the old MDEQ
• Zelenock:
• Zelenock: Madame Chair, your motion was to go out and do general bonds, correct?
• Chockley: squeaks out a response
• Zelenock: And my question is how much more?
• Chockley: reads the motion, $6.24M
• Zelenock: So, I will let people know, after talking to EGLE, and hearing the new news,
• Zelenock: I am for doing the basin
• Zelenock: However, I am not for putting the 25% in there
• Chockley: So, would you like to make a list of the things that you would need to know before February 25th?
• Chockley: So that we can get you the answers
• Beliger: How does that return to the people that are paying?
• Aynes: the figure that they're talking about is what goes in the notice of referendum
• Dockett: asks the difference between the people on the sewer being on the hook vs the people in the Township being on the hook if something happens
• 2;18;53;04
• Dockett: I think it's fair that only the people on the sewers be on this and I don't know which bond that is
• Chockley: admits - the Revenue Bond
• Dockett: And that's just the people on the sewer
• Chockley: No I've chosen the General Obligation Bonds
• Dockett: I don't know if we should put everybody in jeopardy on this
• Beliger: They would all have to not pay their bill
• 2;19;33;15
• Chockley: It's a very consistent payment that comes in every quarter
• Chick: splains
• Chockley: Calls the Question
• Chockley: that passes 5:2
• Chick: we've never missed a payment
• Manley: asks Aynes for a copy of the rate study

North Village

• Chockley: I guess...
• Beliger: Do we have a motion to accept? Chockley, suddenly perky again, No we don't. Would you like to make one?
• Beliger: Let's see if I can craft one here [ ignorance, arrogance, unpreparedness, and hubris in full flower ]
• Beliger: I move that the Township accept...
• 2;22;16;15
• Beliger: the offer by Livonia Builders to purchase the portion as here indicated of the North Village site
• for the placement of single family homes, approximately ninety thereof
• Beliger: for a price of $765,000.00
• Beliger: with the guarantee of
• Beliger: Obviously we'll have to do that [first class contract drawing, Dunning Kruger every step of the way...]
• Otto: farts in something about the seven changes
• Chick: supports
• Beliger: I think I'm done. It may need some fine tuning...
• Twp Attorney Fink: slaps them down hard You'll need a Purchase agreement
• Twp Attorney Fink: This transaction could take a year
• mic handed to planner
• Zelenock:
• Zelenock: One of my concerns with the motion that was just made, how much is that legally binding?
• Planner Lippens:
• Zelenock:
• Chockley:
• Chick:
• Chick: 90 homes [on tenth acre lots] are copacetic with the rural character of the township
• Dockett: I don't think we ever had an appraisal on the property
• Chick: tries to splain purchase price as $16k/ acre vs sale price of almost $50k/acre
• Dockett: $765K is just about what we have in it
• Chockley: Calling the question
• Chockley: We'll look forward to what you negotiate, there.. [uh, yup..].

Agenda Item - Discuss the sale of 75 Barker

• Chick: glaring.
• Chick: Still glaring.
• Township Attorney:
• Chick:
• Zelenock:
• Dockett:
• Zelenock: Isn't that something we need to define?
• Dockett: we don't ask them what they want to pay us. we set the price.
• Zelenock: Can't we give this to the DDA and have them come up with a suggestion?
• Dockett: We don't need another committee
• Chick: I don't like the DDA coming up with the numbers [I don't need no stinkin' studies]
• Zelenock: We don't know what we're voting on.
• Planner Lippens:
• Aynes:
• 2;52;28;00
• Township Attorney: wades into the fray
• Dockett:
• Beliger: can we call the question?
• Chockley: that passes 6:1, Dockett No

Chockley: Employee Handbook

• Chockley: Motion to replace the harassment policy in the employee handbook, support by Manley
• 2;55;33;05
• Zelenock: so why are these changes being recommended?
• Beliger: It's a lot of gobblygook
• Zelenock: So do we know why?
• Chockley: I don't know...
• Zelenock: Did our labor attorney take it upon herself to make them? How did they come about?
• Aynes:
• Aynes:
• Zelenock:
• Roll Call Vote
• Chockley: that passes 7-0

Chockley: Motion to approve the january 28 special meeting minutes

• Dockett:
• Otto: Mr dockett that would be a good example of why you ought to be able to call me and ask what are we going to talk about in this closed session
• Motion passes 7-0

Chockley: motion to approve minutes of the regular board meeting of january 28th

• Chockley: that passes 7-0

motion to accept the trustee liaison reports

• Dockett: pulls two reports - the Clerk's report and ...
• Manley: responds to Dockett's complaing about an upcoming millage vote
• Dockett: wades into the Parks and Rec report
• Dockett: Concern about the retention pond, stormwater, the walking path
• Dockett: asks about north village ingress and egress
• Zelenock: we are moving to a new credit card processing company
• Zelenock: on fund balance
• Zelenock: requests that marijuana business application fees be pulled out as a separate line item
• Motion to accept trustee liaison reports passes 7-0

Announcements

Second Call to the public

• Dale Brewer
• Mike Cicchella lectures the board on their fiduciary duty to base their financial decisions on robust appraisals
• Jim Nelson: Highlights the Township Manager's admission that the lakeside land had no comparables, no equivalent found anywhere in the area
• Michael Repa
• Anne Hunter
• Jessica Mizner
• Faith Wheeler
• Marissa Prizgint

Board Member Responses

• Beliger
• Dockett
• Chick
• Zelenock
• Chockley

Move to Adjourn

This is a rudely formatted, partial transcription of the Town Hall. Two or three editorial comments excepted, the text below is verbatim, said by someone. Click the questions; click the lines of discussion. Clicking anything will take you to the point in the Town Hall video where that sentence was uttered.

A portable copy: 1/14/2020 Town Hall LiveTimeline

Informal Start

What can be done about the amount of dog feces in downtown Whitmore Lake?

• Zelenock: What are we gonna do?
• Beliger: Can't we use ordinances?

Next Question: how smoothly is the application process for marijuana businesses going?

Simple yes or no: Are you ok with wastewater overflowing into our waterways?

• Chockley: we had so much flow that it was running on the ground and into the storm sewers

[... yeah, I know. What storm sewers? There are none.]

?Audience: So, ironically, I was wanting to ask this question before I knew about the sewer overflowing today, simply because this has been a problem that the Township has been looking at for a very long time. So my follow up question is, are you willing now that there has been a catastrophe, are you willing to make forward momentum with getting a retention basin built?

What would the township like to see in terms of a marijuana retail store?

Why doesn't the Township put Park question on the ballot so all are aware of opportunity, if you're putting out a survey for the park next to the post office?

Why are you giving away the park next to the post office for undermarket value?

If you're putting out a survey about benches, it's all over town - what kind of benches are we going to put on the sidewalk to nowhere, then why can't you put out a survey for the park itself?

• [Editor: Otto weighs in with false narrative about county disinterest in funding a park. The County was asked only about funding the walking path, reduced at this point to little more than a sidewalk around 90 houses. Lying by omission is a cheap and standard political hack. It makes Liars feel clever. If you accept lies, you get Liars.]
• Margaret Riddell: That park was dedicated as a park right after it was purchased.
• [blank]
• Riddell: and it was said in some of the Board's releases that more than half would be park, so
• Riddell: the only parts that a problem is that everyone else on on the board is wanting to sell it off, not have a park...
• Riddell: ... have a five acre park for 8000 people. That's where it's at. You're talking about seeing what you can do - but only what you can do for five acres. You're not asking the people what
they want.
• Wayne Dockett offers to fund a ballot initiative
• Chick: It is so early in the planning of this whole piece of property that it was only recently that we received a legal description of the area that decided we wanted to see as a park
• Chick: we couldn't even apply for anything until we have that information
• Chick: we have to have a plan for the park as well if we're gonna apply for a grant
• Chick: that hasn't happened. and to answer the question about the cost of the property
• Chick: we received an offer but we have not taken that offer.
• Chick: there is no firm price yet.
• Chick: none of this is firm. it's all initial negotiations and discussions. there's no final decision on anything yet.
• Zelenock:
• Zelenock: We did a couple surveys that was before this administration. it went in the tax bills before I became treasurer
• Zelenock: and 390 people responded. So we send aout about 5,300 tax bills, and 64% said they wanted a park only.
• Zelenock: then the same survey was conducted at the trunk or treat, again before this board came into office
• Zelenock: and there was like 93 responses and 61% said they wanted a park only
• Zelenock: then we had some visioning sessions, where about 50 people attended
• Zelenock: and the "Synthesis Plan" came about
• Zelenock: My other concern is when the subcommittee scored it, and that was just recently, it came out to be a D+, as far as meeting that plan
• [blank]
• [blank]
• [editorial: Check out the faces, Chick and Otto's filled with anger and hate, Chockley's shame, a bent dynamic.]
• Beliger: I'm very pleased with the one developer. I think he's sensitive to the, um, i wanna say to the feeling of the community
• Beliger: to making sure the park can be the best it can be, and even the units he wishes to make to be in accordance with the design and the community
• Beliger: to be. Personable; I wanna say personable, the gentleman seems to be
• [blank]
• Beliger: There has been no agreement...
• Chockley: I just wanna mention that putting the park on the ballot would be an advisory vote and those are not legal
• Dignan: that's where my question came from. If you're
• Dignan: if you're gonna put something on the ballot like that, especially since the township owns it at this point
• Dignan: would you be willing to put it on there with a funding mechanism
• Dignan: meaning would you be willing to put it on the ballot with a design or phased designs, with a levy
• Dignan: to not only fund, maybe partially fund the construction of part of it, but also the ongoing maintenance, operations, insurance, and so on and so forth
• Dignan: as you put assets on that property you're going to have to maintain those assets on a very regular basis
• Dignan: As you develop that park it has to be ADA compatable. It has to be by law.
• [blank]
• [blank]
• Dignan: or whether they want it to be just a general open space as it's been used for decades, even when it was owned by the flying dutchman
• Dignan: for event parking, things of that sort
• Dignan: So if you're gonna put it on the ballot that would be I believe that would be the way to present it
• [blank]
• Beliger: there's something about millages that I'm troubled with
• Otto
• Otto: We have property behind the Township Building.
• Otto: We don't have all of it. We have some of it. We get that property usually because people do not pay their taxes.
• Otto: and it ends up to be at the Township's door to either pay the taxes of purchase the property
• Otto: So there is probably about 33 acres back there
• Otto: Of it there's probably about how many lots? how many do we own back there, about twenty?
• Otto: Cause we've acquired quite a bit.
• Otto: Granted,
• Otto: Granted,it is wetlands back there.
• Otto: Granted,it is wetlands back there. There is no lake back there.
• Otto: But it is property that connects the 7 Mile Road. It would connect the 7 Mile Road.
• Otto: So we learned before that if we ever had a road that went from the development thru 7 Mile right over here it would cost of millions and millions of dollars to do
• [blank]
• Chick: I just wanna speak to the surveys. um the first two surveys that were taken. i mean, if I had
• Chick: If I had responded and I might have responded at that time, do you want to keep this all park, I would have absolutely said yes
• Chick: It's a beautiful piece of land
• Chick: No one was explained at that time when either of those surveys were taken what the cost to the Township was to maintain that park. ( guess what Janet, they still have not)
• Chick: annually, they weren't told that
• Chick: they were not told the benefit to the Township of actually selling part of it and keeping part of it park
• Chick: they weren't told that
• Chick: They weren't told the revenue that we'll get that will pay for the park, the property taxes that will come in to help maintenance
• Chick: the sewer hookups to help the sewer department
• Chick: and then the annual revenue after that
• Chick: that we will, that the township will recognize so that we can actually provide some more services and amenities
• Chick: and maybe do more for the roads or whatever
• Chick: it is for the downtown area
• Chick: There's a lot that could be done. People weren't told that.
• Chick: So if you don't have, excuse me, if you don't inform the people, the respondents, these are your choices
• Chick: which one do you want? then they're gonna respond with what they like at that moment
• Chick: that's all I have to say about that
• Chick: i appreciate the fact that people answered the survey; i would have answered it the same way
• Chick: but I think that in order to have really good results
• Chick: that mean something you can actually make a decision from
• Chick: you need to educate the public first and let them analyze the information and see which one makes better sense for the township
• [blank]
• Riddell: Nobody ever asked that question, did they?
• Riddell: you just all assumed, the question, what's it gonna cost and are you willing to pay it
• Riddell: nobody's ever found out. you don't know what it's gonna cost. you don't know if you can get grants.
• Riddell: you don't know how much Kiwanis is willing to put out to help it
• Riddell: you don't know a lot of things but you're going ahead, like ok fine. it'costs too much money
• Riddell: the townpeople won't wanna vote for a millage
• Riddell: believe me; I won't use the park but I will pay a millage to have it, because I think it's worth it to the people
• Riddell: You're getting ready to scrap a beautiful piece of property
• Riddell: and put houses on it
• Riddell: And Janet I understand when you're talking about the surveys but it seems to me
• Riddell: it was much more recent than that than you spending a dollar
• Riddell: you know the little one where everybody was spending a dollar - how would you spend it
• Riddell: And Gee, it seemed to me that parks and open land was right up there at the top
• Riddell: and way down at the bottom was residential development
• Riddell: I just don't understand
• Riddell: the only reason I can figure out you guys don't want to ask the people
• Riddell: if they're willing to do this
• Riddell: is because you're afraid of what the answer is gonna be
• [blank]
• Otto - so [put it on the ballot, suckers. it will be too late]
• Otto - If you look at the Parks and Rec plan, it did identify that if the North Village was to be a full park,
• Otto - They identified it as costing 3.5 Million dollars.
• [A Bald faced Lie from Otto - That figure includes the original multi million dollar listing price of the Van Curler property.]
• Otto - so when you go after grants, it's not that they just hand you this money; you have to have matching funds.
• ?Audience: Who did this study that said it would cost $3.5 million?
• [blank]
• I believe that this building is going to be paid off in two more years
• Dockett: the Public Safety Building will be paid off in 2022
• So, if some concerned citizens
• What do we need a Board for?
• Zelenock: I do have one thing. So it's in the Parks and Rec, but as a Board can we address it or either give it to Parks and Rec to hire a firm
• Zelenock: to see what it's going to cost?
• Zelenock: to see what it's gonna cost to put in a beach, if even we can put in a beach
• Zelenock: see what it's gonna cost to put in a dock
• Zelenock: see what it's gonna cost to put in a pavilion
• Zelenock: so at least we have the cost
• Chockley - we need that in order to apply for grants... I...
• Zelenock: Can we add that to our next Board Agenda?
• Zelenock: Can I get an answer?
• [blank]
• Chick - To Mr Dockett's comment about the $250,000
• Zelenoc - we'll get about $83,000
• [blank]

Manley - If I can just have a quick follow up on that. The park is in just the beginning stages. Nothing's confirmed.

• Please keep sending us your ideas. We're open. And I think I agree with Lenore. We need to have some kind of study., so we know how much this would cost us.
• [blank]

Ciccella: When I left as Supervisor

When zoning is approved for marijuana businesses, will you continue to jam up the process?

• Otto

Manley - Mr Gordon gets the last question

Gordon - I was hoping that this type of question and answer period would not become a one off and would actually become a tradition of the Board

• [blank]
• Gordon: I was hoping that instead of having the Board simply reiterate their positions on various issues
• Gordon: I was hoping this would lead to some accountability
• Gordon: and my biggest question which obviously there's no time to answer at this point since the Board meeting starts in sixty seconds, is

Gordon: How can you pretend to be public servants when you don't listen to the public?

• Gordon: Marlene, you said that a scientific survey's the only one that really counts
• Gordon: We've only ever had one of those in the history of this Township in 1996
• Gordon: but it identified preservation as the number one priority of the residents
• Gordon: Every single non-scientific survey since then has supported that
• Gordon: yet we spend all our time and money on growth and development
• Gordon: and absolutely nothing on preservation
• Gordon: and look at the budget for 2019
• Gordon: The manager's office who's here to help push development
• Gordon: is a $171,000 a year
• Gordon: Planning and Zoning budget is $151,000 a year
• Gordon: The Community Center gets $128,000 a year
• Gordon: People's Express gets $10,000
• Gordon: Parks & Rec gets $5,000
• Gordon: and the Land Preservation Committee gets nothing
• Gordon: So it's outrageous to me that you sit here saying you're in favor of doing what the public wants
• Gordon: but you haven't done what Mr. Dignan recommended
• Gordon: If the public says they want a park only, then you do a survey
• Gordon: and say what Miss Chick brought up, Did you know it's gonna cost this much?
• Gordon: But you don't know what it's gonna cost because you haven't even run the numbers yet.
• Gordon: You don't even know if you can put a beach there.
• Gordon: You don't know what the maintenence is gonna be, or the insurance, or the liability.
• Gordon: But you're ready to sell off 80% of the park without having done that.
• Gordon: And you can't ask the voters whether they're gonna help pay for it with a millage if you've already sold off the property.
• Zelenock
• [blank]

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